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Sunday, April 09, 2006

280. ANOTHER DEBUNKER EMERGES

Toby Hemenway is a permaculturist who has written a good piece called "Apocalypse, Not" debunking peak oil hysteria. This has been widely discussed, but it certainly deserves a place here:
There is no doubt that oil is running out. But to believe that it will surely bring the end of the world, you must believe that:
  1. Our demand for oil is unchangeable and is not significantly affected by price.
  2. We are so badly addicted to oil that we will watch our civilization collapse rather than change our behavior.
  3. Significant oil conservation is not possible in the time frame
  4. Even with conservation, demand will be more than oil plus alternatives can possibly meet.
  5. Society is so fragile that it cannot withstand large shocks.
These are the significant beliefs needed to be a Peak Oil catastrophist. Each is false. Let's look at them.
I'll refer you to the article for specifics on these five points. However, Hemenway does raise an interesting, little-discussed point about the Hubbert curve (click image for a clearer view):

Hubbert’s US peak prediction was accurate, and the decline initially followed his curve. It has lately deviated significantly (see Figure 1, above)

[...]

Let’s engage in a little critical thinking about Hubbert’s curve. Domestic oil production began to fall sharply around 1970. Why the steep drop? If we’re blinded by theory, we’d say “because supply dried up” and leave it at that. But a careful thinker must look for other explanations that may have an effect. There are several: A major oil spill off California in 1969, the first Earth Day in 1970, and many other events spawned a rise in environmental consciousness in the 1970s, and soon, public outcry forced the US to block off-shore drilling and other sources of domestic oil because they damaged our environment. The 1973 Arab oil embargo sent prices skyward, and Americans bought small cars and turned down thermostats, squelching demand and thus domestic production. And, the 1960s and 1970s saw both the rise of the multinational corporation and Britain’s retreat from its Middle-Eastern colonies, a combination that encouraged the oil majors to abandon US oilfields and to enormously boost Mideast operations, where regulations were lax, labor cheap, and supplies huge.

Thus the sharp fall in US production, while affected by the depletion of some easy-to-drill domestic deposits, had many other causes. Today, lapsed US oil leases are being bought back by the oil majors, who are developing these deposits with new techniques. Congress has re-authorized off-shore drilling, and US production has stopped falling. We’re not on Hubbert’s curve any more.
This is a thought-provoking idea. How much of the U.S. decline after 1970 was due to geological constraints, and how much was due to political constraints, and the easier availability of oil elsewhere?
-- by JD

9 Comments:

At Sunday, April 9, 2006 at 8:00:00 PM PDT, Blogger JD said...

sameu,
That's the funny thing about PO pessimists. In my experience, you all admit at some point that we have the technology and ability to solve the problem. In retrospect, that's why it won't be surprising when we actually do solve the problem. Even you yourself admit that we can do it. You're just not fully accepting/digesting that fact yet.

 
At Sunday, April 9, 2006 at 11:30:00 PM PDT, Blogger Gayle Washburn said...

...let the disinfo begin...

 
At Monday, April 10, 2006 at 1:21:00 AM PDT, Blogger GermanDom said...

After having read Hemenway on the weekend, I was once again positive about Life After Peak.

But since JD has to show the world that he's not alone in the way he thinks, then I HAVE to scrutinize Hemenway's article a bit more exactly.

Hemenway is making the same mistake that the doomers make. Take a curve and a graph and try to make a point that has nothing to do with the geology of the thing. It's just too easy to take every one of these graphs apart...

For instance, the graph for the US looks like a graph of all liquids for the lower 48 PLUS off-shore wells.

Meaning, the geographical area is being broadened with time. (The same thing you do when you include Alaska, meaning you change your definition as you go along. The same thing you do when you include "all liquids" - the definition always changes.) The chart with the UK is no different - Production there is a collection of Off-Shore regions. Basically it is a double graph of two independent regions, both with an almost perfect huberts curve. When they find something in the artic the same size? Then we'll have three humps on the graph.

But who cares???? And who cares if world oil production follows a perfect bell curve or not? There is simply a limitted amount of the stuff out there.

"If we’re blinded by theory, we’d say “because supply dried up” and leave it at that."
Guess what?! Supply started drying up the day we burned our first gallon.

Technological answers? Sure.
Change the definition of "oil"? Why not?
Blame politics or economics? If you want to.
Agree with Sameu? I certainly hope so. I tend to be a greedy bastard too.
Become a doomer? They have their points.
Become a cornucopian? They have their points.

Answer? (Try to) Be prepared!

 
At Monday, April 10, 2006 at 12:55:00 PM PDT, Blogger GermanDom said...

allen wrote
When real production doesn't follow the curve that's an indication of the accuracy of the prediction and that is important.

Well, if you reread my post, you will notice that I "debunked" the accuracy of Hemenway's graphs. I may be wrong, simply because I don't know exactly what is in his graphs' data. But, after having seen enough of these graphs to make my supper reintroduce itself, I think I notice which statistics are behind them.

The problem with the graphs are that they do not represent FIXED definitions. The definition moves as the years go by.

US 48 plus Alaska has a double peak, for instance (1971 and 1985). Why? because these 2 entities really have nothing to do with each other - just like the double peak w/ Great Britain.

The Hubbert curve is supposed to be a predictive device. It's supposed to signal when we're past the peak of petroleum production.

Really?
I thought it was supposed to be a statistical device. (!)
It surely will give a SIGNAL when more than 50% of a defined entity (resource) has been consumed.

First of all, there has to be a fixed definition of what's being talked about. None of the reporting agencies have this fixed definition. In this sense, a conucopian like JD is right - we'll just change the "rules" (i.e. technology) so that Peak doesn't really matter. Conventional oil? What's that? Let's sell Mexican, Venizuelan and Canadian tar instead!

The "curve" on the other hand is really only a typical (meaning statistical!) way of depleting a fixed substance. There is absolutely no "must" to the way the substance is depleted. There are only probables. The one "probable" which fits your definition is that once we are past Peak, we will NEVER produce more than in the peak year. Unless, of course, you change the definition of what you're talking about. (Oil from Titan, for instance)

Summing up the entire game: There were ten units in the barrel and now there are only five. Hemenway and JD need to deny that in order to support their house of cards.

 
At Tuesday, April 11, 2006 at 1:48:00 PM PDT, Blogger GermanDom said...

Actually, they (and I) don't have to deny a damned thing.

Am I getting too close, allen?
No, you don't have to deny anything. You can continue babbling around the issue.

My guesstimate is that conventional oil peaked a couple years back. My guesstimate is that Deffeyes is exactly right. We are on/past Peak.

Now, are there 5.5 units left? 4.5 left? Hubert's point was that there are 10. All the blogs in the world will not change that fact.

I grew up as an oil producer in Ohio. Ohio peaked in 1893. Not bad, huh? The slope down was very gradual. We profitted greatly from 1973 til 1985. We never (in Ohio) produced nearly as much as in 1893, no matter how many wells we drilled...

btw Allen,
you attacked my conclusion, how about attacking my argument?

 
At Tuesday, April 11, 2006 at 1:53:00 PM PDT, Blogger GermanDom said...

Roland wrote:
I really don't think anybody will care much about oil in 60 years.
:-)
That is, by the way, POs message.
Do you think we will have produced paradise by then or be back in the Middle Ages? On a scale of 1 to 10?

 
At Friday, April 14, 2006 at 3:51:00 AM PDT, Blogger GermanDom said...

Sorry, allen.

I didn't get what you were saying and you didn't get what I was saying.

Thanks sameu.

Nice story. Ohio isn't the world.

No, Ohio is an enclosed area. And the home state of the Rockefellers with their Standard Oil.

My point is: When we compare a typical depletion MODEL, like Hubbert's (and every model has its limits), it needs to be a fixed area, i.e. Ohio. Or the landlocked Lower 48. Or the earth.

So, yes, Ohio is the world. (Oh, why did I move out?-( Meaning, both are fixed geographical areas.

Hubbert didn't get lucky with his prediction. He moved his "peak" date over the years from the early '60s to the early '70s as he got more data (just like Campbell is doing with world production) and was finally right. In hindsight, a ten-year margin of error doesn't seem like much. While you're in it, a decade can seem like an eternity sometimes...

Since no one CAN know when 50% of the barrel will be empty, we can only follow the markets (price will be a good indication) and perhaps the bi-weekly updated graphs on The Oil Drum. This one's from Aril 4th.

 
At Sunday, June 3, 2007 at 2:29:00 PM PDT, Blogger Diggadave said...

Some interesting points about Mr. Hubbert's report:

(1) Hubbert worked for Shell (the oil company)

(2) Hubbert pushed a theory that oil was a finite resource and was too cheap (good news for a an oil company).

(3) Hubbert wrote in 1956 that the entire earth held no more than 1.2 trillion barrels of oil.... But we have already consumed that much and the stuff still comes out of the ground

(4) There are around 200 years' worth of [heavy] crude oil in Venezuela alone

(5) Hubbert's report is actually titled "Nuclear Energy & the Fossil Fuels" and pushes nuclear energy as an alternative source of energy

(6) At the time of publication (1956) Shell was about to announce the formation of URENCO - a uranium enrichment consortium.

Draw your own conclusions....

 
At Sunday, June 3, 2007 at 2:31:00 PM PDT, Blogger Diggadave said...

Some interesting points about Mr. Hubbert's report:

(1) Hubbert wrote in 1956 that the entire earth held no more than 1.2 trillion barrels of oil.... But we have already consumed that much and the stuff still comes out of the ground

(2) Hubbert worked for Shell (the oil company)

(3) Hubbert was said oil was a finite resource and was too cheap (good news for an oil company).

(4) There are around 200 years' worth of [heavy] crude oil in Venezuela alone

(5) Hubbert's report is actually titled "Nuclear Energy & the Fossil Fuels" and pushes nuclear energy as an alternative source of energy

(6) At the time of publication (1956) Shell was about to announce the formation of URENCO - a uranium enrichment consortium.

Draw your own conclusions....

 

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